Daily Reminder: I Bought a New Sedan With A Manual

"Party-vi" (party-vi) 07/03/2018 at 08:09 • Filed to: justoppothings, we're doomed, i should be working, how's your day?, tags out the ass

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boredalways > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:22

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Which one?

Party-vi > boredalways 07/03/2018 at 08:31

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Mazda 6. Currently deciding on the next awful bolt-on. It already has tint and yellow fog lights. I probably need a purple shift knob and some B ride seats.

404 - User No Longer Available > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:32

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All while water is being supplied in airplane meal-sized bottles.

PS9 > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:37

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No more BMW?

Party-vi > PS9 07/03/2018 at 08:40

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Nerp. Went to a good home.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:43

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At least you can buy new and influence things in a microscopic way. I doubt buying my used manual sedan, or my wife’s used compact hatchback did anything at all 

duurtlang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 07/03/2018 at 08:48

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Buying used has an effect too, albeit a much smaller one; it influences resale value. A higher resale value makes a car more attractive to new car buyers as depreciation (/lease costs) will be lower.

Nibby > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:48

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get a spoiler, lower it to the ground, add a fart can, some stickers for more HP

syaieya > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 08:49

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Honestly that article on the mazda 2 had my attention.

Trying to find a small, non penalty box hatchback that wont fall apart and isnt the honda fit is honestly hard

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > duurtlang 07/03/2018 at 08:55

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In the U.S., it used to be the smart choice for resale to buy the manual. That may still apply on a select few cars (Corvette, Mustang, GTI, Miata, 86...), but the list is getting shorter and shorter. Helps if the potential buyer actually knows how to drive a manual, and it seems like that’s ~5% of new drivers here...

PyramidHat > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 09:02

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You could but the station wagon conversion kit.  I hear they’re on sale a JC Whitney...

duurtlang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/03/2018 at 09:04

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I fear it’s mostly the opposite in Europe nowadays. Sure, everyone knows how to drive a manual, but the market share of automatics is exploding. Even in sporty cars.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > duurtlang 07/03/2018 at 09:11

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Welp, when they’re faster, more fuel efficient, and you can keep your latte in the other hand while you’re driving one... Won’t be long til most folks in Europe will be looking at you sideways if you choose to buy a car with a manual (like they do now in the U.S.).

Chuckles > syaieya 07/03/2018 at 09:20

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It’s not as roomy as the Honda Fit, but I’m pretty happy with my 2012 Fiat 500. And if you go with a non-Abarth like I did, the prices are very reasonable these days. It’s not the quickest car, but it’s a nice place to sit in and doesn’t feel like an econobox.

duurtlang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/03/2018 at 09:25

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All but two of the classic downsides of automatics  are gone nowadays. Fuel economy, acceleration, speed of shifting, moment of shifting, it’s all fine(ish) nowadays. Only cost and dynamics are still hurdles today, and I guess they will remain so until the economy of scale makes complex automatics cheaper than relatively simple manuals.

My bird IS the word > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 09:26

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Buying a manual hatchback/wagon. Your other post reminded me, I can get a shift knob on this since its not a mini

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 09:28

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Nerp. Went to a good home victim.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > duurtlang 07/03/2018 at 09:36

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Part of the problem is while there are still cars that are 1000-1200 dollars cheaper if you get a manual, when buying new. There are plenty more cars that don’t even offer a manual transmission especially in the ever growing crossover/cuv category 

Party-vi > Nibby 07/03/2018 at 09:37

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Trust me, fart cans and lowering springs are a must-have.

OmerCarrothers333 > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 09:40

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One day, a couple years ago, I test drove a Focus ST, a Fiesta ST, and a Mazda6 with a stick. I thought the Mazda was the best all-round car, but I didn’t get it due to not liking the deal.

Glad you’re having fun with your car.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > duurtlang 07/03/2018 at 09:43

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There are already some cars where the automatic is “standard” and the manual is a no-cost option.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 07/03/2018 at 09:48

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No manual Macan. No more manual CX-5. You can get one in the HR-V, and in a Subaru, but yeah, they are pretty much non-existent in crossovers (no surprise based on the target market).

Textured Soy Protein > Party-vi 07/03/2018 at 10:02

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My next car will probably be a crossover with an automatic transmission.

Either that, or a Veloster N DCT, or a 997.2 Carrera S with PDK and LSD.

duurtlang > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 07/03/2018 at 10:02

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In Europe you can get almost everything with a manual, although (like you said) some barges don’t offer a manual any more. But, if I have to be honest, I think a modern automatic gearbox is a better fit to most of those specific cars anyway. They are big comfy boats where enthusiast driving dynamics don’t matter much anyway and comfort is more important.
Big exceptions are the Alfa Romeo 4C, the new Alpine A110 and the 2013 + Renault Clio RS . The lack of a manual transmission in those cars is a mortal sin.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > duurtlang 07/03/2018 at 10:32

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Yeah my e90 3 series is manual but I don’t know if I’d want a manual in anything bigger than it. It’s the biggest, heaviest car  I’ve owned and I think anything bigger wouldn’t be much fun. 

Milky > Chuckles 07/03/2018 at 10:32

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But also if you go Abarth- BRAAP.

Chuckles > Milky 07/03/2018 at 10:48

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True, but I bought the Fiat mainly to be a commuter car, and I couldn't justify the price difference. My 500 is automatic, but my 94 Miata is a stick shift. I've reached a point in my life where I appreciate having a choice, and some days I don't want to shift. And I wouldn't want an automatic Abarth, that just seems silly.

Milky > Chuckles 07/03/2018 at 11:18

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Fair point.

BUTBRAP

jk

Chuckles > Milky 07/03/2018 at 11:58

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Oh I know. When I see an Abarth in traffic I question my choice, but when my commute includes bumper to bumper stop and go traffic, I’m grateful for the automatic.

And honestly, after driving my NA Miata, I'm not sure if I'd like a manual Abarth. The 500 feels like you sit 2 feet higher off of the ground than the Miata, and I don't know how I'd feel about it as a sports car. But as a cheap hatchback with an automatic, I love it.